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blackpowder44
12-09-10, 10:47 AM
I bought this set of buttons and badges yesterday at the MHS meeting. ThePP badge is lugged and has no maker. The shoulder title is marked, Dowler and Sons Ltd. Two of the buttons are by Firmin and one is by The London Badge and Button Co. John.

Jibba Jabba
12-09-10, 11:24 AM
They look to be a great find. Palestine Police stuff has started to pick up recently because of released records and new web sites which document their activities.

I believe there is at least one member here who pays very well for militaria to this unit ;)

johnG
13-09-10, 04:05 PM
BP44: I envy you that collection. A cousin I was very close to in my teens did his National Service in the Palestine Police 1947/48, then went on to the royal Hong Kong Police, leaving me madly jealous of him.

peter616
13-09-10, 04:21 PM
titles all made by Dowler and Sons Ltd

29928

29929

blackpowder44
13-09-10, 07:36 PM
Thanks to everyone for your interest in my small collection of PP badges. Peter616 especially good to see the arabec numerals used on, I presume, the officers shoulder tabs. I need now to look for them as well as a cloth nshoulder title, John.

Eddie Parks
14-09-10, 10:02 AM
In KD the numbers were worn on the officer's chest above the breast pockets on a black leather backing, Arabic on the left, English on the right. And the ones in the photo are upside down - they read (from the LEFT as in English) 3421.

Eddie

Eddie Parks
14-09-10, 10:15 AM
Incidentally can anyone say what uniform the lower two buttons on the original photo were worn on?

I have a sneaking idea they are "mufti" buttons worn on a civilian blazer and that the left hand one might relate to the PP OCA?

Anyone?

Eddie

btns
14-09-10, 09:00 PM
The London Badge & Button Company was founded in 1973. How does that add up with P.P. button?

peter616
15-09-10, 08:00 AM
The London Badge & Button Company was founded in 1973. How does that add up with P.P. button?


The London Badge & Button Company make blazer button and you can still buy them

peter

Eddie Parks
15-09-10, 10:43 AM
Which confirms my belief that one of these lower two is a PP OCA button.

Eddie Parks
15-09-10, 12:05 PM
And if you'd like to update your collection here's the opportunity of a lifetime. The unvoided cap badge is a bit rare:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EXTRA-RARE-Palestine-pin-British-police-unc-/180560909588?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a0a44d514

blackpowder44
15-09-10, 12:41 PM
[QUOTE=Eddie Parks;82481]And if you'd like to update your collection here's the opportunity of a lifetime. The unvoided cap badge is a bit rare:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EXTRA-RARE-Palestine-pin-British-police-unc-/180560909588?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a0a44d514[/QUOTEThanks, Eddie,I spotted this lot the other day. Where do these chancers get their prices from. All badges coming out of Israel have hughly inflated prices. John.

Eddie Parks
15-09-10, 01:31 PM
True but 1.5K for a cap badge, S/T and a handful of buttons has got to be a record even by their standards?

happy days - Eddie

fearnaught
17-09-10, 08:18 PM
Hi, these are some of the insignia of a guy in the armoured car section. Somewhere I've got a belt but that came from a guy in the arab section. Mike

Eddie Parks
18-09-10, 05:50 AM
That's a nice little collection - good to see the real thing when the cap badge must be one of the commonest fakes about. Lovely little armoured car.

I am interested in the marksman's badge - it's difficult to see the colours clearly in your picture, is it on black/blue cloth? Could you try again?

And if the belt turns up please show! Is it the usual locket type or something different. What makes it Arab as opposed to British section?

Eddie

fearnaught
18-09-10, 06:38 AM
Hi, I don't think it's different, it just came from an Arab who's father was in the PP. I'll try to find it before I go. By the way, anyone interested in Uzbeki' bits, I'll be out there shortly. Mike

blackpowder44
19-09-10, 06:14 PM
Hi, these are some of the insignia of a guy in the armoured car section. Somewhere I've got a belt but that came from a guy in the arab section. Mike

Thanks for showing these PP badges, with these and others shown they give me a target to aspire to, John.

fearnaught
20-09-10, 06:16 PM
Hi, details of crossed rifles and belt. The background is a very dark navy blue and the belt clasp seems to have some sort of silver wash, I'm pretty sure it's not silver paint. Mike PS the markings on the belt are 9847 and H&O 37

Eddie Parks
22-09-10, 08:10 AM
And if you'd like to update your collection here's the opportunity of a lifetime. The unvoided cap badge is a bit rare:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EXTRA-RARE-Palestine-pin-British-police-unc-/180560909588?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a0a44d514

It's back unsold and the price has gone up! Now 1.8K

Mike
22-09-10, 02:59 PM
the markings on the belt are 9847


will that be the man's service number?

I've had this guy's Palestine medal around here for ages, (keep meaning to sell it) his is a 4 digit number: 2021

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/images2/parrish_4.jpg


poor copy photo but looks like separate numerals worn on a bit of backing on the right breast - but what is the object on his left in the same position??

Eddie Parks
22-09-10, 04:07 PM
It's his number in Arabic numerals on a matching black leather background. To clarify my earlier post on the subject, although Arabic is read from the right numerals are read from the left. A two looks like a 2 lying on its back, a zero is a dot and one is a stylish 1.

Mike
22-09-10, 04:17 PM
It's his number in Arabic numerals on a matching black leather background. To clarify my earlier post on the subject, although Arabic is read from the right numerals are read from the left. A two looks like a 2 lying on its back, a zero is a dot and one is a stylish 1.



Thanks Eddie, I should have guessed. Wonder if anyone has one of these Arabic ID numbers on its backing to show us?

Would be real nice to have these with a mans insignia and medals.

Eddie Parks
21-10-10, 05:19 PM
Here we are, Set 3275 as mounted and some numbers - the V is either seven or eight depending on which way up it is so 210681/1980431

Aberdeen Medals
28-04-11, 11:09 PM
While sorting through some odds and ends in my miscellaneous inventory I came across the below attached Palestine Police badges, all of which appear to be white-metal variants of the force cap badge.

1). Top Badge: Die-struck white metal cap badge. Central band has 3 x double sided sprays of laurel leaves, with in centre central the letter 'P.P.' entwined. Reverse has 2 x copper lugs 'North' & 'South' , and makers marks 'Dowler, Birmingham' on 2 x lines

2). Bottom Right Badge: A well-polished die-struck white metal cap badge. Central band has only 1 x double sided spray of laurel leaves on top and below the legend 'Palestine Police', the centre being the letters 'P.P.' entwined - note the letters are only joined to the central band in 3 places. Reverse has replacement slide, but shows remains of 2 x copper lug mounts 'East' & 'West'. There are no makers marks.

3). Bottom Left Badge: A die-struck white metal cap badge. Central band has only 1 x double sided spray of laurel leaves on top and below the legend 'Palestine Police', in centre the letters 'P.P.' entwined - note the letters are joined to the central band in 6 places. Reverse has 2 x copper lugs 'East' & 'West'. There are no makers marks.

Questions:

a). Is the top badge a style that was only worn by gazetted officers, i.e. Inspectors and above?. Or, is it an earlier variant to the others ?

b). Are the bottom two badges the 'Standard' issue worn by Constables, Corporals and Sergeants? And, if so, are they possibly from different makers?

In anticipation.

Yours aye,
Mark

Eddie Parks
29-04-11, 07:44 AM
Hi

My understanding is that the triple spray version is a sergeants' arm badge.

eddie

Aberdeen Medals
29-04-11, 09:28 AM
Hi Eddie,

Thanks for your reply.

I was curious about finding out that the 'Triple Spray' badge might be a Sergeants arm badge.

Question: Were these triple-sprayed arm badges worn on 'Blue Patrols', or some other form of uniform, and where exactly where they worn / positioned.

I am attaching a photograph of a British Contable in 'Blue Patrols', to complement the other illustration in this thread showing another British Constable in a differnt dress of uniform.

Yours aye,
Mark

Eddie Parks
29-04-11, 12:08 PM
Worn above the chevrons but whether on one or both arms or in what orders of dress I am not sure.

Eddie

Aberdeen Medals
29-04-11, 07:03 PM
Eddie,

Thanks for that - I had an idea it might be located central above the chevrons (presumably the chevrosn also being in white metal?).

I will now have a look through some other obscure illustrated references I have that might have photyos of European Sergeants in other Colonial Police Forces of the 1930-S-1940's to see if any of them had similar arm accountrements.

Yours aye,
Mark

geezer#199
29-04-11, 07:52 PM
This is interesting stuff. I have a friend that was in the Royal Navy during the Second World War, then joined the Palestine Police and then came to Canada in 1950 and joined the RCMP. He will be 86 in Sept and has his memorabilia from his time in the PP. He is presently doing a cruise through the Panama Canal and will be back on May 18th. He is still sharp as a tack and if you have any questions regarding the PP that you want answered let me know and I will run them by him.

Jack

Aberdeen Medals
30-04-11, 10:36 AM
Jack,

Thanks for your interesting post.

After he gets back form his cruise and if you get the time, can you ask your friend and former member of the Palestine Police what section / division of the Police he belonged to during his service?

Also, and if he is willing, can you run past him the below following numbers/names of former comrades that I know were either serving on or after 1945, and which he might therefore remember / recall from the time of his service;

- 1611 British Contable T.H. Ballentine (served 1938-1948)
- 2790 British Contable J.H. Pirie (served 1939-1946, believed to be Scottish)
- 3192 British Contable Herbert Wilson (from Middlesborough)
- 131 British Constable W.H. Clark (left circa 1945 & former member of the Port & Marine section)
- 676 British Contable J.R.G. Travers (served 1945-1948)
- 4360 British Constable Thomas C. Roberts (served 1947-48, and believed to be from Dublin)

I would be especially interested to learn or receive confirmation of;

- Country and places of origin of the constables
- Divisions they may have served in
- Any anecdotes

In advance thanks.

Yours aye,
Mark

geezer#199
01-05-11, 12:41 AM
Mark

I will have him come over and view this post as well as I will take some photos of his PP Memorabilia. I do remember he has the Cap and Shoulder titles as well as his number in Arabic(?).

As I said before he is sharp as a tack and we talk a lot about his time in the Royal Navy as well as his time in the PP. He joined the RCMP in 1950 and I was born in 1951. We talk about the old days in the RCMP, I joined in 1972. I keep on telling him he should journal his experiences in the War on a mine sweeper, the PP and the RCMP. He did not keep much from his time in the Navy with the exception of his Medals and a badge that was given out for minesweeping. He has a few PP items mounted on a board as well as a few items from the RCMP. He was not a big collector, to bad, as he could have had a number of items that people on this forum would have appreciated.

I will get in touch with you upon his return.

Jack

Aberdeen Medals
04-05-11, 08:08 PM
Jack,

It will be interesting to see some images of your friends insignia / medals. It will be a bonus if he recognizes any of the above names in this thread.

Yours aye,
Mark

Tinto
31-07-13, 11:51 PM
Hi All,
I thought I would revive this thread to show these buttons.
They are of the smallest size 13mm diam approx., made by Firmin, London and the full distance between buttons held by chains is about 26mm.
They could be cuff links but the distance is rather long for those.
Is there another use for these?
Thanks, Tinto

altcar73
01-08-13, 07:51 AM
Hi All,
I thought I would revive this thread to show these buttons.
They are of the smallest size 13mm diam approx., made by Firmin, London and the full distance between buttons held by chains is about 26mm.
They could be cuff links but the distance is rather long for those.
Is there another use for these?
Thanks, Tinto

Tinto,

They are used to fasten the front of a mess dress jacket.

Dave.

Chacal
01-08-13, 08:11 AM
I thought other members might be interested in these two photographs I found in a photograph album inherited from an uncle in Dublin: as far as I know this was not a family member but probably connected to my uncle through school, church or scouts.

Palestine Police Constable '297', W.C. Castle - written in pencil on the reverse is “Summer Uniform”.

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1645&pictureid=76987


Palestine Police Constable '297', W.C. Castle - written in pencil on the reverse is “Summer Uniform/Leaving on patrol/K......... Jerusalem/......... 1937.”

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1645&pictureid=76988

Update 01/01/2014 - I now believe I have identified him from the PRO file Ref: WO 100/510. According to this file ‘297’ was Temp A/Brit Sgt W.C. Castle.
Reference: WO 100/510 - General Service Medal 1918-1962: Clasp Palestine: Trans Jordan Frontier Force, Palestine Police (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/image/Index/C11476908?index=1&page=32)
Last viewed: 01/01/2014.

Graham

Tinto
01-08-13, 08:01 PM
Thanks very much for the information, Dave.
Great photos, Graham.
Cheers,
Tinto